I had a terrific conversation with Gitanjali about the nature of humanity and how we can live more joyous lives. Make sure you stay to the end for this one.
Gitanjali Hemp is a master energy healer, visionary mystic, and the founder of Syntara System. She brings over 23 years of study and training with healers and masters from some of the world’s richest traditions and cutting-edge healing models.
She has spent 21 years in active practice, both as a practitioner and teacher: leading retreats, workshops, professional training, virtual courses, and facilitating ceremonies and women’s groups. She loves nothing more than helping people awaken to the magic of creation and fully embody their unique brilliance in service to the whole.
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Close your eyes and imagine what are the things in life that causes the greatest pain, the things that bring us grief, or challenges, challenges designed to help us grow to ultimately become what we were always meant to be. We feel like we’ve been buried. But what if, like a seed we’ve been planted, and having been planted would grow to become a mighty tree. Now, open your eyes, open your eyes to this way of viewing life. Come with me as we explore your true, infinite, eternal nature. This is grief to growth. And I am your host, Brian Smith. Everybody this is Brian back with another episode of grief to growth and today I’ve got with me, Captain jare. I know I messed it up. She just told me she took a rock for me. And she is a master energy healer, a visionary mystic and the founders entire system. She brings over 23 years of study and training with healers and masters from some of the world’s richest traditions and most cutting edge healing models. She has spent 21 years in active practice both as a project practitioner and a teacher leading retreats workshops, professional trainings, virtual courses and facilitating ceremonies and women’s groups. There’s nothing she loves more than helping people awaken to the magic of creation and fully embody their unique brilliance and service at all. And she’s developed a system called Sentara system which we’re going to talk about today. So with that, I want to introduce Gitanjali Hemp. And forgive me for butchering your name as she told me how to say it.
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if that’s okay. There we go. All right. In America that can’t pronounce for names, but I’m having trouble. So we were started, we were talking before we started recording, and I was telling you, what are the things I ask people is why they do what they do. So I do want to ask you like how you got into doing what you do?
Yeah, and I’m happy to answer and my response to you is that I would love to hear from you, in order to really, you know, shape this conversation in a way that’s really useful for your listeners and, and in the conversations that are already happening here. And so I’m just really curious why you do what you do and what this posture podcast means to you.
Yeah, that’s that’s a fair question. Turnabout is fair play. So the reason why I do what I do is, I believe that we all go through different types of grief events in our life. If we live on this planet long enough, we are going to go through grief. And I know you and I are going to talk about some different types of grief today, because the grief of losing a loved one grief of losing a job, you know, the grief of losing relationship, different types of grief that we go through. So the thing is, I don’t think we do a very good job in our society of equipping, equipping people to go through grief of letting them know what to expect, and what kind of tools that they can, they can have to deal with that grief. So the whole purpose of the podcast was to help people heal, to heal from whatever tragic event they’ve gone through. So that’s the reason I do what I do. I’ve been through a tragic event myself, the passing of my daughter seven years ago, tomorrow. And that set me on a whole new course in my life. And I want to share that with people.
That’s powerful. And the anniversary is coming tomorrow. Yeah, yeah. Well, I’m honored to be sitting here with you. And I love hearing your why. And what, what occurs to me and hearing you speak, one of the things is that, you know, I think there’s a way we can look at everything in our life, we’re gonna lose, like, every single thing, every person that we love, everything that we adore, and in some way, it makes everything really sacred. There’s an opening that can happen there, too. Just a real honoring, of the tenderness of life. You know, we all go through grief. So,
yeah, yeah. So I you know, it’s funny, I was just thinking about that earlier today about like, how the, because things are temporary, we do place more value on them. I think that’s part of part of the sacredness as you put it of life. So I’m curious for yourself, what what got you into doing this type of work?
Yeah, so the work I do, you know, grief isn’t necessarily the exact focal point but but in the work that I do, and the system that I developed, we’re really working with the energies of the unseen realms, and really working in the causal realm. So a lot of energy work is working with the energy of thoughts of feelings of emotions of the form itself of our body, but the work that we’re doing is kind of working with what informs that and so it’s really the energy of Spirit. And so in that place, there’s so much that happens that is kind of outside of our perceptual lens culturally, and is relegated to the realms of religion. Sometimes, but that really if we have more language for it, we can have more access to these other aspects of being. And I think they can kind of bring a fuller perspective and experience of what it means to be human and how we live and how we relate. And I think that that can actually be really soothing for us, in a lot of ways.
Yeah, so tell me about Sentara. Hopefully, I’m pronouncing that correctly. So I know it’s a system and I was looking at your page some of your stuff earlier. And I know she talked about purpose when you made a post on LinkedIn about purpose. And I think that’s really important, because again, relating it to grief. A lot of times when we go through a grief event, we lose our purpose. And in my case, most of my listeners are parents who have lost children. And when you’ve when you’ve lost a child, and you’re a parent, you’re like, why am I here? What do I do, it just kind of throws us all off?
Yeah, I got, I just want to honor that I can’t imagine the level of what that what that means to lose a child. And one thing that occurs to me in your sharing of that is that one of the things we look at when we’re looking at that at the energy, we’re working with fields of all different sorts. And when we lose someone that’s close to us, there’s a big reorganization in the energy field. So in the relational field, the place where our relationships live, and the ways that we’re engaged and connecting and interacting with humans in our day to day life, and the people who are close to us very strongly. It is really shaping our energy field in our body. And so when we lose them, there’s literally a tearing, or a shedding or pulling away. And that is viscerally painful, physically painful, it’s a it’s a, it’s a very real experience of that tearing and that severing that occurs. And in that turning in the suffering, what happens in the energy is that when someone close to us passes, they move into a different orientation, we’re still connected to them, but not in the same day to day relational way. So they move into the ancestral fields, they move into these other spaces. And it’s very disorienting in the period afterwards when that reorganization is occurring, because we’re used to looking for them in a certain place, and they’re not there anymore. And it takes time to begin to feel where they might be and where they are. They’re still with us, but in a really, really different way. And so the purpose question is that that reorganization takes time to reconfigure and to find our own alignment within this big rubric reorientation and reorganization, particularly with someone who’s so deeply embedded and ingrained in our system in some way, as a child would be.
Yeah, I think I’ve never had a chance to put that way. But that’s I think that puts in the words, I think what a lot of us feel there is as a parent and against, especially as a mother, most of my listeners are mothers. There’s a there’s a real physical connection between us and our and our offspring. And there is there is that ripping away, and we feel disoriented, because it’s like, they’re Are they gone? We want to know, are they really, really gone? And I love the way you said that they’re not gone, but we have to connect with them in a different way.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it’s a huge reorientation and reorganization. So So are they gone? Yes. And no, right. I think that a lot of the time, when we’re working the energy, there’s this way that there’s this both, and there’s this dual experience? Yeah. And so I think I think one of the biggest pieces is that curiosity or that opening? Like, if they’re not there, where are they? And to feel for that? Like, what? Where is the place that there’s opening or connection?
So how does Tara help with that?
So this entire helps with that, and several different ways, one of one of the ways is that we really, over time can help to train people in feeling the relational field, being able to perceive it and work with it, and feeling the ancestral fields in these different spaces. So when an occurrence like this happens, or we go through experiences in life, there’s a way we can more directly access and work with those spaces. So we can do things to tend to those ripped in torn places in the energy directly. And so that can feel soothing, it can feel, feel recalibrating to the nervous system, it’s still going to be painful, doesn’t take away all of the pain or the experience. But there can be more of a sense of agency and understanding. And well, the thing that I love about the energy work is that it’s not someone else asking you to have blind faith about what’s happening. It’s you being able to get into direct relationship with your own truth of what is happening for you. It’s like getting current with what’s actually occurring in these unseen spaces in your own being. And that can feel really empowering. Not necessarily making things less difficult, but maybe allowing there to be more stability within the difficulty.
Well, the thing is we when I did kind of start to sauce specific what I’ve gone through but we all go through different types of things, and I think I noticed against looking at some of your material wasn’t we talked about the fact that we as a species are going through difficult times right now, very disorienting times, and a lot of people have lost their footing, you know, they’ve lost their way.
Yeah, I mean, I think that’s, that’s a huge marker of the times. And I think there’s gonna be a lot more of that. And I think there’s tremendous grieving going on, consciously and unconsciously, with things that are happening in the world and with the environment and socially and politically, and I think it’s going to continue to be that way. And so how do we be with this? And what is our our purpose, our role, again, like how do we how do we get with that get current. And I think, again, we offer so many things in the energy work with it. And one of those things is, you know, it’s like the most simple practice. And it’s really getting comfortable with not knowing really getting comfortable with the mystery. And so there’s kind of this prayer practice that we offer. And it’s like when we have the place of not knowing that’s actually the opening of the greatest potency and power, if we allow it to be. In our culture, we’re kind of taught that, like, if we don’t know something, that’s the weak place. That’s the place that’s not good. That’s, you know, that’s something we always want to know, and we feel safe and knowing that makes sense. But if we can start to turn that narrative around, and when there’s something I don’t know, like, I don’t know how to function after this experience, or I don’t know how to be with this level of, you know, chaos or confusion, or whatever it is, I don’t know how to fill in the blank, then we can, we can go back. And we can say, even though I don’t know how to do this, I trust that something greater than me, that also lives deep within me, does know. And I open to that wisdom now. And if we can really sit with that, in a prayerful kind of meditative experience and in the energy and feel for what occurs to us, what life starts to show us, sometimes a new pathway can show itself something else starts to spark, we start to connect to the person that we lost in a different way or different orientation, we see them in the conversation we have or in the way the tree moves in the wind, or, you know, whatever it is something else shows itself to us. And the same thing with purpose and with life. So I don’t know how to, I don’t know, make a living in this economy, you know, or whatever it is, it can be very mundane, I don’t know how to do this. But I trust that there’s a greater wisdom and intelligence, there’s an evolutionary current of life, that is 4 billion years old, that lives inside of myself has evolved from an amoeba into this form of thinking human. And if I can connect to that in some way, and then be open to what I’m compelled or shown next, there might be a pathway that I couldn’t rationally have thought of, but that starts presenting itself that I can start meeting and moving towards. I mean, I imagine, you know, there was a before and after with the loss of your daughter, and that your life doesn’t look like anything you would have imagined it to before then there’s kind of these, these turning points, these pathways, these unexpected twists. And I think we’re collectively in that right now. We don’t know there’s no way we can know what things are going to look like 10 or 15 years from now. More than other times? I think so.
Yeah, and is a very scary time. For that reason, as you said, humans we’ve evolved to to want in our society is particularly to want answers to want to know what things are going to hold. And the reality is we never have known it’s just we trick ourselves into thinking that we do. And you talked about, you know, really an unconscious and a conscious level of grief. And I think what’s happened over the last couple of years is what has been unconscious for a long time is becoming conscious. Yes.
Yeah. And that that has its own discomfort, right. And I think it’s very challenging to the psyche of many.
Yeah, well, I think probably to the psyche of all of us. You know,
yeah, yeah. But I think that I think I think there’s an opportunity here and I think what, you know, what do we do with that when we get hit with something that’s really uncomfortable or destabilizing, or we lose our sense of self or we feel cornered in some way? I think all of these things are part of the conversation we’re having is we have a choice. We have lots of choices. But But I think the fundamental choice is, do we behave badly because of that? Do we feel scarce? And do we act out? Or do we use it as an opportunity to open in some way? Do we recognize the sacredness of life and that way of knowing we’re going to lose all things? So so what do I actually hold dear? Where are my actual true values? And how do I align with those in the face of whatever it is, because everything’s going to be lost? Anyway. So how do I want to play this game? Or do I try to hold on for dear life and keep things as comfortable for me as possible for as long as I possibly can? Hurting everything else around me and I think that’s kind of like if there’s two very Divergent Paths. There’s obviously gray shade It’s in between. But I think those are the two paths that are before us in some way.
Yeah. But yeah, I think that comes down to the fact that we, we don’t have a choice of what happens to us. But we have a choice and how we react to it, as you said, and there are two basic paths. And when we get knocked off our feet, we can we can say, Okay, well, this, this is terrible. I can’t believe this happened to me. And we can just sit with that. Or we can, as you said, so this is this is life, and how am I going to how am I going to deal with this? And how can I turn this into something that’s, that’s better than, you know, the way I’m looking at it right now?
Yeah, so Sentara, we call it a resource based model. And one of the core principles is basically that resource builds resilience. And when we are resilient, we tend to make better choices. We take risks, we show up in openness. And we innovate. And so and so our foundational practices are that like, okay, so where’s the resource at any moment, and resource is different for each one of us. So this is this is one of the things we talked about, there’s some over overarching commonalities, like we want resource that feels we want our nervous system to be regulated, but what regulates my system is going to be different than what regulates yours, actually, based on a million different things, you know, has lived experience, our conditioning and cultural growing up our ancestry, but to begin to determine where are the places that are already resourceful for me, how do I build and grow on those? And then how do I also begin to expand on the spaces that are less resourceful in my world in my life, and this can include, you know, community level, and relationally. This can include, just in my own day to day practices and ways of being, it can be in the way that I think, and the way that I move in the world, like, so there’s a lot of different places that we’ll start to look at and work with, to help to build more and more stability and resource and resonance within the energy body in the energy field. So that the nervous system can stay regulated so that we can make good choices and move from that place of choice. fulness.
Yeah, so So it sounds like you kind of help people take an inventory of what they’ve, what their resources are, and what resources they need, is that correct?
Yeah. And working within the model, we can look really directly at the energy and see where the places are, that are that are functioning well, in the places that are a little bit less so. So we work with a primary organizing principle of the energy of a torus, which is an energy movement and function, and we can track that, and then we can kind of see where things get destabilized or where they get uncomfortable. When we get triggered, we orient opposing to our to our strong orientation we get, we get turned around, we get turned inside out. And so there’s ways that we can shift that really quickly. And that well, once we start understanding our energy body. And so for all of us, you know, it’s kind of like we’re walking through life, and then something hits us. And then we go into some sort of altered state. And sometimes from those trigger places, we make poor choices. And so if we get better and better at recognizing our triggers, and knowing how to quickly transition ourselves out of that, and get back into a regulated nervous system, then our choices, and therefore our creation, can be a little bit more aligned with what we are with our values.
Yeah. So you mentioned energy body explaining what our energy body actually is.
Yeah, so there’s a lot of ways to answer that question. So the energy body, you know, if you go to a chiropractor, they’re gonna say the body is the basis of I mean, the spinal column, and the nervous system is the basis of everything else, everything else is set up around that and you go to, you know, whoever you go to, they’re going to orient the world from their perspective and their lens. So I orient the world from an energy perspective. So what I would say is that the energy proceeds form, not the other way around. So it’s not that Oh, I have a body and emits energy. That is true. It’s a closed circuit. But what I would say more is that there’s energy and consciousness that condenses and densifies into form. So there’s template layers that precede my physical form. So in the energy, I can find a template and an expression and experience of every aspect of my physical, emotional mental being.
Okay. Yeah, I think that that is a that is an ancient way of looking at things. And it’s interesting, because I think science is starting to come back around to that, finally, that consciousness precedes the material. And that and that just flips everything that we’ve learned in our western world in the last 100 years on its head.
Yeah, I mean, that’s kind of the amazing thing too, right? It’s like yeah, everything in our western world in the last 100 years, but then you Go back 50,000. And you know, and there’s that understanding. So it’s really just a return and remembrance and really that all of our ancestors, all of our ancestors, wherever we came from, held some form of knowing and understanding of this, their systems upon systems and languages and mythologies, and cosmologies, and healing models. And they all reflect this. So it’s really just like this blip in time that we’ve gotten a little confused. And a return on remembering, I think, will really set us back on our feet in a good way, collectively, if we can make that turn then that remembering,
I could not agree with you more, and as a as a chemical engineer, myself by training, you know, and being trained in this in this whole materialistic way of looking at things. I was speaking with someone the other day, I was interviewing for my podcast, and they said, Well, I don’t want to appear to to woowoo. And I’m like, I don’t have a problem appearing woowoo because this is the truth. And the fact that we’ve got everything backwards is the problem that we have right now, the fact that we think we are our bodies, and the fact that we think like our mind, our brains generate our mind, as opposed to the other way around, that our mind actually creates our body. That’s, that’s why we have an upside down.
Yeah, and we have it upside down. That’s reflected in a lot of the things in our world, I think, you know, it’s almost like, like, everything’s backwards in our world, right? It’s like the people who should get paid the most get paid the least the people who should get paid the least get paid the most. It’s like things are just all of our systems are kind of in inverse, really, in some ways. So yeah, when I think about a turning, there’s danger in any kind of a birth or transition. And I think that collectively, we’re in that and there is inherent danger. And there’s no knowing, you know, how we get through this or how much damage will be done in the process. And I think it’s a turning towards coming back into right relationship and that inverse relationship coming into a greater coherent alignment. I think amazing things could happen, I think. Yeah, I think amazing things could happen.
Yeah, I like I said, I could not I could not agree with you more. And we are in and I talked to so many people who are intuitives, who are doing this energy work and talk about like our collective consciousness, which I believe we do have. And they’re like, we’re coming to a real inflection point. Where can we do a real turning point where we’re at a point of crisis. And I love that I when I saw your your information come across my desk, I was like, I love the fact that people are doing this type of work now. And it’s becoming more accepted. And it’s not being seen so much as woowoo. But it’s something that’s absolutely necessary.
Yeah, I mean, that’s part of the gift of the destabilization, right? It’s like I actually work with a lot of entrepreneurs and people in the corporate spaces, too. And what I see happening is that with the amount of destabilization, there’s a lot of things in the last two years, that would have never been on the table before, like conversations or risks or directions that are being taken that would have never been within the realm of possibility, because everything was a little bit more, you know, A plus B equals C, and it works. And those things don’t work. There’s a little bit more of like, well, what do we do? And so there’s an opening to Well, let’s try this. Let’s see what happens here. This actually makes sense. This could actually, there’s just an opening in the minds and the potentials of people and organizations that wasn’t there before. So I’m hoping that it doesn’t have to get to too steep of a crisis state for the chance for the shifts and changes that really need to happen to occur.
Well, frankly, that’s human nature. We do what we feel is working until it doesn’t work anymore. And I think we all do, and that’s why, you know, the people that I interview, for the most part, you know, they come to me through some point of crisis, through something that they hit their life, and it just, it’s wasn’t working anymore, whether it’s the death of a loved one, or whether it’s the illness or whether it’s a loss of a job or, you know, alcoholic hitting bottom. There’s always some crisis point, it seems like and I think that’s true of us individually and collectively.
Yeah. And I think it’s a little frustrating, because I don’t think it has to be that way. And I think, yeah, we are creatures of habit. So they get really comfortable in some way or another, and then we just stick with that until we don’t have to anymore. And I know, I mean, it’s a subtle as. So again, you know, if Centara is a system of resource, this becomes part of the conversation. So it’s really hard to leave something that’s all good. Just to know that it’s not right anymore, right? We can say this about a job. We can say this about a relationship we can say we don’t want the feeling of loss or grieving or shaking things up. We like stability, we like things to stay the same. And it’s a really high point and this is why if we have a lot of resources and resilience, we can take the risks to say I just No, this isn’t right anymore, there’s something else that I’m supposed to be stepping towards and stepping into. And the better that I can do this, the more gracefully and easily I can do this, the easier things shift and move because things are always wanting to shift and move. But when I try to fix on things to stay in a certain way, and the way that they’ve always been, and it’s wanting to change than a crisis has to happen in order to allow the shift to occur. And so this is, this is one of the reasons that it’s so important to really find those levels of stability, and to really begin to learn how to really listen to the nuance of what my aligned desire, what my purpose, what my sense of self is calling to me next, in a clear and grounded way. Because I think that that capacity in us individually and translated collectively, can help us not have to hit those crisis zones. And it’s a really big ask of our human animal nature. Yeah, our reptilian brain is not really, you know, excited about this, about that type of transition or shift.
Yeah, well, you know, as you were saying that, I was just thinking, though, but a lot of us, we think things are working for us. And you talked about, for example, leaving a job, we’re miserable in that job. We hate the job. We don’t like our boss, we’re not really happy with it, but we feel like but it pays the bills, you know, so we settle? And I think it’s because we don’t have that confidence. You said that knowing the resources that we have internally, and the confidence to say I can, I can do more, I can hope for more I can want more. We don’t have to go through a crisis point. I agree with you.
Yeah. And I think that there are learned skills along the way, right? It’s like, there is like, how do I stabilize myself? How do I know that I can create the connections and things that I need to what do I want to do, it’s like not just leaving and being, you know, I’m a proponent for groundedness. I’m a proponent for you know, a teacher and he would talk about pouring sand. It’s like a Tai Chi thing. It’s like pouring sand from one foot to the other. When you’re when you’re making a move. It’s not like you flying a flying leap and jumping. But it’s like, can I slowly choice by choice moment by moment, moment, reposition myself. So there’s ground underneath me when I move in this other direction if it’s leaving a job or whatever else. And, and sometimes it’s like, not even like, I have to leave this job. Sometimes it’s like, I have to show up differently in this job and see what happens. And sometimes I get spit out or new positions made, or it shifts the culture in my sector of the organization, right. So like, there’s so many different nuances, but really honoring those places of knowing those places of need. Those places of knowing something has to change. Yeah. And one more piece is that another important learned skill is also the relational skills to be able to communicate these things, in good ways with the people around this.
speak more about that, how does that work? Well, I
think there’s a way that we’re not very good relationally in our culture in general. And so if I have a need in a work environment, I don’t know how to speak it. Sometimes I don’t think that there’s room for it, or there’s not a culture that allows for that. But to find ways to get on the same page, and to learn how to communicate in such a way that my needs can be heard or honored in a space that maybe doesn’t always allow for that to find pathways of connection and ways in that aren’t demanding or demeaning, but that are clear and true. And I think that’s also a learned skill. For many of us, for most of us.
Yeah. And there’s something this entire can help with.
It’s a piece of what we do. curriculums. Yeah.
So is this entire is it? Is it a curriculum? How that’s explained to me, I know it’s a system but give me a little more detail.
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Gitanjali Hemp 29:45
So we’re working with the unseen realms. We’re working with the energy in different ways. And so it’s a system of maps and principles that give us access in a way to see what’s unseen. So we’re really we’re Working with, you know, we’re working with energy, the torus, which is a doughnut shape, movement of form of energy, you can look it up, you can Google it, moving my hands, for those of you who are listening in the audio, you can Google it and see see that forming of energy. And so the torus is the fundamental framework and path pattern of energy, and it works kind of like a fractal, it is a fractal. So my entire energy body moves in a toroidal, field and flow, and so each of my energy centers, but not only that, I have a torus, and so does each person in my family. And then they nest together. So my whole family is a torus, that is comprised of each of the toroids of each one in it, right, and then that torus is part of the greater maybe community or you know, whatever else. And so there are these inner laying intersecting energy bodies. And so there’s this way that when we work with the Taurus, there’s this pattern of resonance that occurs. So we can do family level healing, we can do collective level healing, we can do planetary healing, as we do our own individual healing, there’s this translation that can occur in different ways. And in the Taurus, there’s layers. So we’ll have a layer that’s connected to our physical bodies, one that’s relative to our emotional body, one that’s relative to our mental body, our mental field so that we can literally work with the energy of our thoughts. There’s a relational field so we can work in the relational field directly, to create more harmony, and get current in our relationships of all sorts. So So yeah, I’ll say that and then leave you for another question. If there’s something
Yeah, no, I think that’s that’s a great, really good explanation. And one of the things as I was thinking, as you were going through that is, I think, we often think of ourselves usually think of ourselves as individuals. It’s just, it’s me. And you know, and I’m in this world, and I’m alone. And I heard you say, reminded me so much of a principle that I have here, too, is that none of us is alone. We’re all part of these inner nesting groups. We know we have soul group to use a term that I use, we have, we have a nuclear family, we have our friends and our neighbors, we have a community, we have the world. And we’re all all interrelated. And it’s really important to understand that because we all we all affect each other with everything that we do.
Yeah, absolutely. And so a big part of Sentara, we work with consciousness states. And so a big part of Sentara is talking about getting more mindful and capable of choice fully impacting the energies, co creating the spaces that we’re in. So in the consciousness states, there’s a place where we’re, we have parts of us always that are in all of these consciousness states, they’re always moving. It’s not like a static thing. But when we’re in victim consciousness, that external energy around us has more potency than our internal energy. So whatever is happening in our field around us, and the world around us is impacting us deeply. Right? And warrior state, we’re interfacing and we’re at a standoff with the energy of what that’s outside and around us. But it’s defining us completely. We’re like butting heads with it. So we’re as strong as it but we’re butting heads with us, we don’t actually have agency even if we think we do. When we get into, we call it manifester consciousness, we do have more agency, and we’re determining some of what’s happening in the space around us. And a lot of us live there when we’re like somewhat successful, and we’re comfortable and confident. So we’re making some choices. But it’s pretty static. It’s not really dynamic. And the the consciousness state that I think that we’re evolving to, and that I think we need to evolve to, to to function, while in this world, this time, is greater consciousness is what we call it. And it’s really this weaving of all those other consciousness states. And if I can do that really well, if I can take in and receive the world around me, and then meet it, and then offer something to it, like assimilate, digest, and then offer something choice while back into the world. I begin, this energy begins kind of rippling off of me and into the world, I begin impacting all of the communities of which I am a part. My Taurus is starting to resonantly impact and not in a way that’s managing or making people this or that, but it’s offering some sort of intelligence and wisdom and coherence into the fields that I am a part of, and then new things become possible. And I am actively empowered to impact and influence towards greater coherence, the world around me, and I think the more of us that can do that more often. The more of a chance we have to get to good places together.
Yeah, I think that’s beautiful. I’ve actually never heard it put that way before and that makes a lot of sense to me. I know. A lot of people are into mana Investing and law of attraction and stuff. And it’s basically like I’m gonna take my will and impose it on the world. Yeah, so I’m, I am I, I’m not a big fan of it, you can probably tell already. I’m trying to remain open to this ideas like I can just will myself to have this or have that and I’m like, No, we co create the world. We’re not We’re not all individually gods.
Yeah. And even if you do that, there’s gonna be a limiting factor is gonna be a million limiting factors. And it’s gonna cause disease in the system over time. It’s just not sustainable. And so yeah, so the Creator consciousness is a little bit different. We remember our victimhood. We remember our warrior nature, we remember our values we weave in, and manifester, you know, in the way that we frame it, one of the things that happens is that we get to this place if we get stuck in manifester, where we say, I don’t want to ever feel the wounded places in me ever again. So I’m going to deny them. So there’s all this energy and life were stuck in those places. So I am never going to grow into my greater potency and power or find the wisdom that resides in my wounds if I do that. But not only that, it’s more stuck in manifester. We say I don’t want to hear anything about your wounds. You know, like I don’t, I don’t, I don’t believe in them, you’re creating your own reality. That’s not you know. And so then there’s all of this separation. And anytime there’s for separation, there’s more and more divisiveness and division, there’s more polarization that occurs, it leads to problems in the system and the structure collectively, individually on every level. So creator consciousness begins to build the bridges of weaving. So that things become dynamic and organic. Again, I find the wisdom in the wounds, I’m able to connect and CO create and collaborate and weave transformation into the pockets of the spaces that actually need resource resilience, and support. And that brings more stability to my world, to all of our world. Right. And it is shared. Yeah.
Yeah, like, I’ve never heard it put that way before. It reminds me very much of a concept and a series of books, I was talking about these books, it’s called the team. And they talk about how we have these fears that we all contribute to with our energy. So everything that we do, were contributing these fears. And we all draw from these fears. And some of them are are positive, you know, creativity and love and joy and peace, and some of them are negative. But we’re, the whole point is that we’re not, we’re not as individual as we seem to think we are. And that’s one of the things that drives me crazy about the world that we live in right now. It’s all about what are my rights, you know, I can do this, I can do that. You don’t have a right to tell me what to do. And we don’t realize that everything we do impacts everyone.
Yeah. Yeah. And so So I mean, I work a lot with paradox. I mean, I think a lot of the time what’s in the energy versus what’s in form? It’s a paradoxical continuum. So so it’s, it’s interesting there, but so, you know, what are my rights versus what is my responsibility, and that my responsibility is essentially, to joy, and to beauty and to goodness, right. And so it’s like this juxtaposition, that I have incredible responsibility, but the responsibility to what I have is to the most beautiful thing that I can imagine. And then there’s a lot of work that goes into that, right, and a lot of tenderness and a lot of care. But in that work, there’s tremendous joy. And I get so much back out of it, right? So it’s like, it’s all of these paradoxical things. And we’re taught to chase pleasure in some kind of way, that actually takes us away from it. That’s what the culture tells us to do. But if I actually land in my responsibility, and my purpose, actually find pleasure, that brings tremendous joy. So it’s this, it’s all of these interesting, we approach things in ways that don’t get us where we want to go.
Yeah, well, it’s a paradox if you have to give up, give up something to get something, you know, it’s like, if we hold on to things, and this is some Jesus said in the Bible, like you have to give up your life in order to find it. And we don’t we don’t like that. We’re like, No, I’m gonna, I’m gonna hold on to this. And so it’s all going to be about me. But it’s really, when we do start to come from a point of giving of manifesting the good for everybody, then we can start to receive. And I heard you talking earlier, I remember that was a little kid, you know, and I was in Sunday school, and they were telling us about, like, the Eastern religions, and they’re like, Oh, they’re bad, because they’re all about, they’re all about yourself. They’re very selfish. They’re very, you know, they’re focusing inward. But that’s the only way to start to heal. We have to focus inward first.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And the inward is outward and outward is inward. Like at some point, it begins to flow into a continuous spiral cycle.
Yeah, it well, and that’s the thing. It’s all about flow. We think we think in a very, we think of very static terms and we think of very If, you know, zero sum game, I get, you know, if I get you lose and vice versa. So therefore I have to get as much as I can. And we don’t really understand this idea of energy flow. And I love what you talked about. It’s it’s seeing what’s going on in the world bringing in integrating, and then and then reflecting back, you know, contributing. So when you, you sent me some some questions or points to talk about, I’m really curious about one thing you talked about, you said you had a death initiation in India. So tell me about that.
Yeah, I was wondering if we’ll get to that.
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when I was in India, traveling, I was traveling for a long time in my early 20s, they spent a long time traveling around the world, in my early 20s, and studying with masters and teachers of all different sorts, and they ended up in Southern India and a place called Tiruvannamalai. And there is Ramana Maharshi. His Ashram is there and it’s a little, it’s a little ashram and a little cave on this mountain called Orange Chela. And he sat in there and meditated and prayed, he’s passed by that point, he’s passed a long time ago. But people will walk the base of this mountain, it takes like, you know, I don’t know, I can’t remember for six hours, something like that. And I did that before dawn, and I was in prayerfulness. And he has, I would say, a lot of depth practice as part of what, you know, his his practice was. And you know, I’m, I’m very energy sensitive and very kind of mystical in my nature. And I had a really wonderful experience and process with that. And I went back to my guest house that night, and I went to sleep. And when I went to sleep, I was really tired. And as soon as my head hit the pillow, I hit my first dream. And it was so visceral and so real, and my dream states can be this way. But it was just a very, very physical, very real dream. And I was on a battlefield, and I was in battle, and people were dying. And it was like, bloody and I could smell blood, and I could smell entrails. And I could smell the soil. Like it was very, very visceral, very physical. And I, and I felt myself get gutted, and fall to the grass on my back and look up at the sky. And I could feel the moment that my spirit left my body. And I thought that I would wake up when I died. At some point, I realized that I was dreaming, and I got lucid. And I was like, Oh, well, you know, in the moment, when I’m about to die, I’ll wake up, but I didn’t. I died. And I was still in the dream. And I could feel the moment of release. And it was the most joyous liberating feeling. And I just had this experience of being like, oh, yeah, remember, that was just the dream. Like that was just the heaviness. Oh, and I’m here and I’m free. And then I woke up after I had that experience. And then I like turned to the bedside, realized where I was, had a sip of water, laid back down, went back to sleep. And then again, another dream, another life. Same thing, it happened all night long, death after death, after death, after death, after death, after death, and all of these different circumstances, and all of these different experiences. And I feel like I really got in my psyche in my system, the liberation of death for the person who’s dying. And I also had the sense of what happens after we die. I don’t know, like, How can I know how can any of us really know? But I think it’s very connected to what we think is going to happen to us after we die, at least in the first period. And I think it’s very culturally oriented. I think a lot of different things can happen to us, I think we have choice fulness there. So if we believe we come back into other lifetimes we do. If we believe we take some time out, we do. If we believe we hang out with our loved ones for a period of time we do. I think there’s a lot of, we believe there’s a Bardot’s and a transition. And we’re going to release all of these different parts of self and go into more pure energy state and then return in a different way we do. I think that there’s a lot of overlays and different choices that we have, just like we do in life. And I think after that experience, well, two things. In the morning, I had a dream, where I was waiting for the death, I was suffering in the life and I was waiting for the death and the death didn’t come. And I woke up in the suffering. And I realized that I had made peace with death, but I don’t think I made peace with life. And that life has so much suffering in it. And the other thing is, is that for the period of time for some years after that, I was with a lot of people before and as they passed and was able to hold that space and because of that experience in a really in I think a pretty graceful way. Yeah.
Wow. So do you believe that that was Do you believe those are past lives that you were experiencing?
I yeah, I that’s how I would frame it. Okay.
Yeah, I did have a life between life regression. So I have some idea of what you’re talking about. It wasn’t that vivid. It wasn’t, it wasn’t in the dream state. But yeah, that’s a really interesting experience that you had. And I mean, it’s interesting. We also said about, you know, I think what happens after death, it’s kind of like culturally, or what we expect. And I think I tend to agree. It’s interesting. I studied near death experiences a lot. I’m actually reading Dr. Bruce Grayson’s book right now called after why I find interesting those a lot of people that don’t believe in the afterlife find themselves like, Okay, wait, why am I here? Now that you’re here at grifter growth, I like to ask you to do three things. The first thing is to make sure that you like click Notifications, and subscribe to make sure you get updates from my YouTube channel. Also, if you’d like to support me financially, you can support me through my tip jar at grief to growth.com. It’s grief and number two, growth.com/tip. Jar, or look for tip jar at the very top of the page, or buy me a coffee at the very bottom of the page, you can make a small financial contribution. The third thing I’d like to ask is to make sure you share this with a friend through all your social media, Facebook, Instagram, whatever. Thanks for being here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that there, I think, yeah, I will give the caveat that there is an afterlife. Yeah. How that afterlife is shaped can can look differently. You know, there’s a lot of cultures where they’ll say, like, we come back every second generation, and my great grandmother will come back as my son. It’s a very structured way. And I think they choose that I think that there’s choice in that there’s ceremony around that. And there’s choice fulness. And I think in general, that’s probably what happens for them. I don’t think that’s what happens for everyone. I think that’s what happens. Because culturally, they have a broader context. And they’re like, Well, we have a structure for life and for death, and we carry it through, you know, so I think. I think it’s both and,
yeah, I think that makes perfect sense. And you’re right, and I’ve, again, I’ve say lots of different viewpoints of it. And there’s a guy named Swedenborg. And he talks about the fact that you kind of get what you expect. And there are people that are in the afterlife that are still going to church and still worshipping and all this stuff like they did when they were here, because they won’t let go of that, you know, it’s like you’re at a place that we don’t need to do that anymore. So I think we, we can hold on to that. And sometimes people will talk about like, negative experiences in the afterlife. They’ll say, Well, there, there’s evidence that there’s hell. And I’m like, mask, because you put yourself there. Because what you’re expecting?
Yeah, and then that way, like, that’s what some of the practices are of getting through the Bardot’s, right? Like there’s, there’s, there’s karmic tendrils and threads, and there does want to be a greater liberation. I think that that’s helpful in general, and to allow for that. So there can be a greater dissolution, and then resolution until whatever, whatever is next.
Yeah. So one of the things you said earlier, I do want to come back to because I think it is one of those Yes. And they’re both things you said, you know, we’re going to lose everything that we have here. And that can sound very realistic, right? It’s like, it doesn’t matter. We’re going to lose everything anyway. So how do you how do you? How do you deal with that concept?
Yeah, I mean, I think it’s really interesting, because there’s so many different viewpoints or worldviews on this world in this world, right? So I think it can make us be the worst of ourselves, and it can make us be the best of ourselves, right? So it’s like, if I know that everything I love, I’m gonna lose, I can say it doesn’t matter anyway. Or I can say, I’m going to hold this in honor of this as the most sacred beautiful thing, and I’m going to bless it and love it, and I’m going to treat it in the way it deserves to be treated. And I believe all things are deserving of love of care connection. So So again, I think there’s there’s choice fulness there, but how do I deal with it? It doesn’t feel realistic to me, it actually feels incredibly life giving and informative. Tender.
Yeah, yeah. Well, that’s a great point is, again, it’s one of those things like, okay, there’s, there’s this fact, there’s this objective fact. And then there’s how do we, how do we view it? And I actually was talking to someone the other day, and they were saying kind of the same thing. It’s like, everything’s gonna go away. Some people say, well, that nothing matters. But it’s like, but you still have this moment. You know, this moment doesn’t matter. In this moment. You You are breathing, you are tasting, you do have your loved ones. So you can embrace this moment, or you can sit around and say, Well, I’m going to not not sure it’s just because I’m not gonna have it in a billion years.
Yeah, I mean, that the only thing we have is this present moment. And like when you really get that when you really get that you realize that it’s an ever present moment that it’s more expansive than anything. It’s not this pinpoint of just this minute in time. Time doesn’t even exist, and it’s certainly not linear. So this moment in time is vast and spacious, and there’s more than enough room for everything in all the multiverse to exist in the context. Have this present moment. And then all of a sudden, it’s spacious, and it’s endless. And then it becomes so sacred and holy, and I can do anything within it. So why would I choose to watch TV and eat junk food? Like maybe for a minute, but so it’s like this. It’s this endless gift that’s here for us. That has never gone, even at the same time as everything in it is already gone. So again, it’s that juxtaposition. But yeah, I mean, we can do anything we want with it. But then again, it’s like in the Neolithic view, then how do I feel in this moment? It’s like, I feel shitty. Exactly. feel shitty. And do I want to do that to myself into the world? Or do I want pleasure? And where do I find the pleasure by feeling the tender sacredness and being devoted to this moment?
So yeah, that was a great answer. And I wanted to, to get you to, to expand on that. Because, again, people can sometimes grab on to like, one certain thing, right? And grab onto the fact Oh, well, she believes that nothing matters, because it’s all going to go away at any point. I know. That’s exactly you were saying the exact opposite of that. But especially people that are that are grieving, you know, because we do feel like everything’s over. It’s like, okay, I’ve lost that person. I’m never going to see them again. The best days of my life are behind me. And all I want to do is go back to those days.
But I think, you know, the, what I love about what you’re saying is, you know, we do still have a sense of purpose was just to solve a reason for being here. There’s certainly joy. Now, even even in this moment.
Yeah. And so again, it’s that juxtaposition and starting really slowly, like, in that level of grieving, than the neurological thing that can be helpful in the smallest way possible. This isn’t like bypass or get out of it or anything else. In the smallest way possible. What is the smallest inkling of pleasure, you can find the smallest Inkling and let that be there too. So this simultaneous pneus, in the nervous system is really, really helpful in building bridges and stabilizing so even if you’re in horrible grieving and pain, can you see the color green in leaves, and cannot just feel good? A little bit at the same time as all of the pain? Can you feel the sunlight on your skin? Can that feel good? Can the smell of something, just like allowing yourself just the smallest little bit and allowing yourself to feel both at the same time can start to rewire the nervous system out of some of those places?
Yeah. Yeah, I love that. That’s, I call that a gratitude practice. And that’s something I’ve been doing for the last several years. And Viktor Frankl wrote in his book, Man’s Search for Meaning I’m like, if that guy can find meaning in a concentration camp after his family has been killed, then we should all be able to find something and you said, you said start with a thing. Like, how does the sun feel on your skin? Do you have clean water? You know, do you have? Do you have a place to sleep? You know, just just these small things that can help to rewire those neural pathways that always want to go to what we’re missing?
Yeah. And that’s a really human thing, right? So it’s like, I think it’s helpful to know this about our brain, our brain is always going to our animal brain is wired to go to what’s missing. Because you know, I’m cold, I’m hungry, we go and take care of that, right? It’s important to have that part of our brain. So it is a practice, always it’s going to be a practice to go for what feels good. Our default is to go for what’s wrong. So to cultivate the practice, and there’s, I just want to there’s one nuance to there’s like a gratitude practice of like thinking what I’m grateful for, and then there’s a pleasure practice, that’s more sensate. So sometimes when you can’t get to the gratitude practice, because you’re like, I don’t feel grateful, like I have clean water, but I don’t care because I’m really suffering, you know that. They sometimes it can be harder to get the mind there. But that are, again, if we can work with our animal body. There’ll be things that feel physically pleasurable, just the feel of my weight against the cushion. Like can I just feel that and feel the pleasure, like from a somatic level? Sometimes that can be the thing that can create a little pathway, when the mind is like,
Yeah, I’ll do it. That’s, that’s a great place to start. For me. It’s when I’m under the covers in my bed at night. Yeah. There’s just the feeling of being under the covers. So that’s a great place to start.
Yeah, it’s great to know what they are for us.
Yeah. i There was another question. Or another thing that you put it that I really want to talk about, and is how do we stay current in long term relationships? We’re in group one, we’re growing rapidly in our spiritual path. I’m really intrigued to hear what you have to say about that.
It’s a great, it’s a great question. So it’s a long answer. You know, there’s multiple layers to it, but really, it’s about Okay, so I said it’s about staying current and keeping current and we can actually do that in the energy. So in the energy body in the relational field. We have these places in the fourth field layer. It’s the law All of our relational field is where our energy streams and connect. So even right now, when we’re talking, even though we’re far away, there’s a way our energy bodies are interacting with each other. And the less I know someone, the more it’s kind of like streaming and moving. Like, we’re kind of like feeling each other a little bit. And you know, and it’s fluid. The longer I’ve been in relationship with someone, the more patterned it is, it becomes more chord, like, it’s like, we have these ways of functioning and relating, for better or for worse, someone, for better, or for worse, there’s going to be these ways we pattern in our connectivity. So getting current and the relationship and the energy is saying, Can I feel who I actually am in this moment? And can I to some degree, shed some of those chords and meet you again, a new? That’s what’s happening in the energy and what that means in the in the tangible relational pieces? Can I get curious and not assume, with this person that I’ve been with for 20 years, or 30 years or whatever else? What’s happening for you? Because we get really good at being like, I know when your head goes that way, and your eye does that thing. That means this, this, this and this, and sometimes we’re right. And often we’re not. And often we’re not right, because they’ve changed. And often they’re not right? We’re not right, because we had put an assumption on even the first time we interpreted that. And we kept with that assumption all the way through. So getting current is this is there’s several different layers to the practice. There’s one that’s energetic and staying clear on the energetic hygiene. And then there’s actual relational conversation pieces, how do I recognizing when I’m kind of not being curious, when I’m not open to hearing, finding pathways and ways of communicating, connecting to get current again and again. So that we can find ourselves in new and we can find each other anew and continue to grow and shift and evolve. And if we get really good at doing that, it allows not for only for our own transformation, but also for the person we’re in relationship with. And that’s a real gift.
Wow, that was awesome. I love that that was so that was so good. You know, I built with my wife for 35 years, we’ll be married 3032 years this fall. And we do we get we get in these patterns. And we think we know the other person and we make the assumptions and you sit we we get hardwired, right? And then we don’t we don’t allow the other person to even change like, will your we can be wrong for the beginning. Or maybe maybe they’ve changed and hopefully we all change and grow, you know, over time. So I think that’s a really important practice you talked about is like looking at that person, you know, a new and not not assuming so much.
Yeah, and really, you know, getting genuinely curious and following are genuine curiosity like what, what is that for you that your worldview is different than mine, that if there is an assumption, that’s the underlying assumption, I have no idea what it feels like to be you, even if I’ve been with you for 35 years, day in and day out, I still don’t know what it’s like to be you. So tell me,
especially when we go through these events that we’re talking about whether it could be a Death Event, or loss of a job, or whatever, you know, these things that throw us and the things that often cause changes. And I see this so often with people. Like, let’s say you’re you’re a couple and you’re you both have the same faith, you’re both very religious people and everything. And then there’s an unexpected death in your family. One person is going to handle a completely different from the way other person handles it. And then we start making assumptions about that person’s about their faith or about whether they have their love that person, and it can cause a real conflict.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it’s like if this than that thinking, we’re talking about this in the mental field, like, like, we all have this, it’s part of the way our minds are shaped. But if this then that thinking, if I do this, it means this. So if you do this, it means this, that you have a different If This Then That thinking, right, so you know, if you put trash on the recycling, it means you don’t believe in value, you know, all these other persons like it doesn’t mean that to me, it literally means I didn’t know that, you know, and so then there’s just a whole different this is just a really mundane, silly example. But yeah, those big events that you’re talking about, you know, loss, loss of of loved ones, change of jobs, change of career. They don’t only throw us they change us, they transform us, right, it changes my values, my worldview. So we have to get current again, like I’m a different person, because I have this experience that reshaped me, it recalibrated me. So I’m not the same person that I was before. So it’s a whole new relationship. And that’s true for the difficult experiences in life. It’s also true for the wonderful experiences in life because we’re always changing. Yeah, and and just being aware of that and being willing to, you know, a 35 year relationship is not being with the same person for 35 years. It’s been with, I don’t know, 35 different people.
Yeah, that’s a good point. And you talked about the mundane example, but that’s really important. My wife and I used to teach like premarital, and I would tell people when you get married There’s gonna be little things like the way my wife squeeze the toothpaste to drove me crazy, right? And we tell ourselves a story. It’s like, if she cared about me if she really loved me, she wouldn’t squeeze the tube that way.
Yeah. Yeah. So it’s
really I love that, that, you know that that staying fresh and staying current and staying curious and asking people, you know, we don’t do that we assume you know, what did you What did you mean by that? What does that mean to you?
And the truth is, there’s so much intimacy there, which I think most of us longed for. And not only is there intimacy there, sometimes when we get that question, we learn more about ourselves. Yeah. Right. So it’s kinda like, oh, there was an assumption in me of doing something this way. Oh, look, I didn’t realize that about myself. There’s so much growth, there’s just so much that can come from that type of curiosity.
And people do like being asked how they feel, you know, because we don’t get that question very often. And as you said it a lot of times, we don’t even know. So we have to like, take inventory. It’s like, oh, how do I feel? You know, why did I do that? Why is that? And then, you know, why is this thing important to you is also really interesting, because we might say, well, that’s not important to me. But it could be very, very important to someone else.
Yeah. And why is it and why isn’t it important? Yeah, absolutely. And so all of these things, it’s like, this is the awakening journey. And we actually don’t do it in isolation, we actually do it in connection and relationship. If we want to awaken in the world and in relationship with each other. If we want cultural change, if we want these things to occur, it has to happen in the context of relative relationship with the world around us, right? So it’s not really something we can do in isolation. So it becomes really important to get current and relationships of all sorts.
Yeah, I think that’s a very, very important part of being human that I think we miss that we we actually need each other to grow with each
other to grow, there is no coming to power or to enlightenment and isolation completely. We need to turn in we need to know ourselves in some way. But we have to turn back out and turn back in and turnout. There’s this weaving that has to occur, right? This flow. Yeah, absolutely.
What could tangibly we’re coming to the end of our time, I want you to tell people how they can reach you what you have to offer to people.
Yeah, so Sentara system.com, it’ll probably be in the show notes. And sy n t a are a system.com. And we’ll we’ll give you a link that has direction to about to meditation, a free meditation that you can do that’s kind of some of this some of this practice. So for anybody who wants to awesome. And yeah, we have a couple times a year, we offer a six week online course that’s called the evolutionary leap. And we kind of lay out a lot of the initial parts, the foundations of energy, work and practices, and you get a lot of things you can work with and tools and skills that you can play with. And we have an online membership that’s ongoing. And we have a really intensive two year training that’s in person that we meet four times a year for four days at a time. And then we have retreats. It’s all on the website. But yeah,
it’s been really good getting to know you getting to meet you, I thought thank you for sharing this with for the listeners I think is going to be very, very helpful for people to get a reset to understand you know, where we are in the world. So thanks for being here.
Thank you so much for inviting me. It’s lovely to feel your heart. Thank you for all that you’re doing.
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